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Sunday, August 12, 2012

"Imagine no religion"

The Olympics closing ceremony featured the song "Imagine" by John Lennon. In the song, Lennon implies that life would be better on Earth if no heaven, hell or religion existed.

"Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try

No people below us, above it's only sky

Imagine all the people

Living for today

Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do

No need to kill or die for and no religions too

Imagine all the people

Living life in peace" - Imagine by John Lennon

  • Is this true? 
  • Would people be more moral if no heaven existed as a reward for living a just life?
  • Is religion what causes war?


  1. Just imagine... if you had got the words right.

    1. RationallyFaithfulAugust 16, 2012 at 1:43 AM

      They were copied/paste from Google.com

  2. What moron doesn't know the words without consulting Google? lol...

    1. Are you not aware the song was edited?

  3. I'm not sure "more moral" is a meaningful phrase. But religions tend to codify the morality of their time within their holy books. As society moves on religions find themselves stuck with this more primitive morality and serve to retard the moral growth of a society. If we look at the religions of today we see them struggling with equal rights issues that most of the rest of society has long since solved.

    Without religions holding society back we would certainly have made slightly faster moral progress, in my opinion.

  4. Religion is dangerous. Religion allows people to do horrible thinks and feel perfectly good about it. From burning witches to the inquisition to 9/11. People can use religion to do horrible things and (in the belief that they're doing god's will) to think they're doing something very good.

    There's no way to test whether their claim that they're doing a god's will is true.

    Religion's claim on morality is "X is good because God told me so" or "Y is bad because God told me so". It doesn't matter what the consequences of X or Y are, how much suffering and misery they may cause. An act is good if "God" says it's good; it's bad if a "God" says it's bad.

    All or most known religions are characterised by bigotry, hatred and violence. By contrast, secular moral systems tend to be based on such principles as the Harm Principle or Utilitarianism. Those latter are not perfect. Morality is never a simple thing to discuss. But they open it up for discussion. They allow us to THINK about the consequences of our actions, as opposed to acting blindly on a demand of an imaginary tyrant (God).


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